Ex-Christadelphian Lunches and Social Afternoons - Melbourne and Sydney
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| The Conservatory Restaurant at Crown Casino Melbourne |
We are arranging a lunch and social afternoon for Ex-Christadelphians at the Conservatory Restaurant at the Crown Entertainment Complex in the middle of Melbourne Australia. Cost $48.00 with everything included except drinks. Tea and Coffee is included.
It will be a weekday lunch. Or we can move it to a Saturday, with an increase in cost to $61.00. Parking at the complex is cheap and often free if you buy a lunch.
If you can't afford the cost, Ex-Christadelphians funds will confidentially subsidise it for you.
Sisters DON'T have to wear hats!!
SPECIAL INVESTIGATION: The Dangers of a Christadelphian Heritage College Education
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| This is not how Australian education is supposed to be |
Professor Richard Dawkins has said that he considers Faith Schools to be child abuse.
Here at Ex-Christadelphians we agree and we believe that for the well being of the students they should be opposed.
We do not object to Church owned schools. My own three children attend a great Uniting Church owned school, Haileybury College. There they receive a well balanced education free from religious proselyting.
We do object to extreme Faith Schools like Heritage Colleges, where preaching to the children is a declared intention of the school. That is quite different to religious education. We think that public money should NOT be spent converting children to a religious sect.
SPECIAL FEATURE
Christadelphian
Atheism is Christadelphian reform taken to its logical conclusion.
We Christadelphian Atheists favour The Scientific Method of thinking and discovery and we
favour mainstream scientific theories such as the Big Bang, the inflation of
our Universe and Evolution. But the Big Bang had to come from somewhere and
because the sum total of all the mass and energy in our Universe totals zero,
we think that the Universe came from nothing.
But "nothing" in that sense does not mean the "nothing" of the generally accepted English usage of the word. Obviously there would have to be "something" in that "nothing" and scientists have demonstrated that "nothing" is actually a seething mass of energy so great that its sum total cannot be imagined or even estimated.
The Triumph Of Reason Over Religion
"The Cosmos is within us. We are made of star stuff. We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan
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| The atoms in our bodies were created in exploding stars |
Who can forget the measured, poetic presentation of Carl Sagan when in Cosmos (1980) he first explained to a wrapped world of television viewers the fantastic fact that we are star stuff? (Scroll down to watch the video.)
Previously existing stars had blown apart to produce some of
the elements from which our human bodies are composed. More of our elemental
atoms were the product of a second generation of stars accumulating that same
star stuff and in their explosive deaths compressed those lighter elements
further along the atomic table to produce all of the remaining heavier atoms
essential for our existence.
Theoretical Christadelphianism
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| After 165 years of failed predictions Christadelphians are confident that they understand prophecy! |
But while theoretical physicists think of experiments by
which their theories can be falsified or confirmed, theoretical
Christadelphians are not constrained by any sort of reality check.
For example at the recent "Rugby Prophecy Day"
theoretical Christadelphianists boldly speculated whether the latest reports
from Debka File, events in Syria, global seismic and volcanic activity, rough
seas and closed ATM machines in Cyprus means that Christ's return after two thousand years of
absence is finally about to take place.
An Open Letter To A Christadelphian Who Is Losing Her Faith
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| Losing one's faith can be emotionally distressing. |
If you are a Christadelphian, or a believer in another religion who feels the same way, this reply is for you.
When You Lose Your Faith You Gain your Reason
"The path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the
fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational
knowledge." – Albert Einstein (1879-1955)The nine words of the title to this article condense all that I have been trying to say on this blog over the past few years into a single sentence.
I was watching a video of Christopher Hitchens the other
evening and he said it as a throwaway line. He never developed the idea and it
was hardly relevant to what he was talking about. He almost said it as a
mistake and he quickly moved on to talk about something else. But I seized upon
the quote and resolved to write something about it for you.
"You Can't Prove That God Doesn't Exist"
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| Where is the Evidence??? |
They say it after their initial arguments for the existence
of God have crumbled and they find themselves on the defensive. They think that
it is some sort of unanswerable debate clincher and indeed it is; but not in
the way they expect.
Because a moment's thought will show that if you can't prove
that something does not exist, then for the very same reason, you can't prove that it does exist.
A Square Peg In A Christadelphian Hole
An Article Kindly Contributed By A Reader
I
was born into a Christadelphian family in the mid-70s and from a young age I
had to attend Sunday school, the youth club and the evening meeting. My parents
came from a long line of CDs, so this really was the traditional family
religion. We led a comfortable middle class life and I had a number of non-CD
friends from school but as I grew up I began to dread Sundays rolling round.
Without fail I had to endure the same tedious rubbish, first a lesson at Sunday
school from a teacher who could bore the tail off a donkey, then a mind-numbing
evening exhortation from a dusty old speaker at the evening meeting. I really
hated it with a passion, especially watching my non-CD friends enjoying a
carefree day playing whilst I was carted off for yet another wasted Sunday.
Review: "Christendom Astray" - By Robert Roberts
Some books do not deserve to be reviewed. For example in
Adolf Hitler's work "Mein Kampf" we are told that the persecution of
the Jewish people is "the work of the Lord." After that you don't
review the book, you don't even put it back on the bookshelf, you toss it into
the trash. Christendom Astray by Robert Roberts is infinitely worse. It advocates the genocide of a large part of the non-Christadelphian population of the World to be carried out by Christ and the Christadelphians at some time in the future. How can anyone review a book that contains that sort of obscenity?
Jericho - One Of The Bible's Biggest Archaeological Problems
In the 1950s, Kathleen Kenyon extensively excavated Tell es-Sultan, a location known in the Bible as Jericho. She discovered something there that had been overlooked and ignored by three previous excavations that changed history forever. It is still overlooked by most people today, but to me it is most important for a correct cultural and historical perspective of the times. Click below to read more:
How The Human Mind Converts To - And Un-Converts From Christadelphianism
"All of our reasoning ends in surrender to
feeling" - Blaise Pascal
I grew up in a Christadelphian family and was baptised in
1967. I remained in fellowship for nineteen years. When I was a Christadelphian
I knew thousands of Christadelphian all over the World. I helped to bring many
of them into the faith and I often instructed them for baptism. I know exactly WHY
people convert to the religion.
I resigned from the religion in 1986 and since that time I
have known hundreds of Ex-Christadelphians. Many of my friends are
Ex-Christadelphians. My dentist and my lawyer are both Ex-Christadelphians. I
have helped some of them to leave the religion and I have listened to many
stories of why they all left. I know exactly
WHY people un-convert out of the religion.
Very few people in the World have my considerable depth of
experience converting and un-converting people in and out of the
Christadelphian religion. Call me crazy to have done both in earnest, but the
fact remains that when it comes to converting and un-converting
Christadelphians - I am an expert on both.
And I have discovered an amazing thing: That the human mind converts
to religion exactly the same way that it un-converts out of religion - for trivial
reasons!
Confirmation Bias
I am going to tell you precisely why there cannot be a God, why the Bible is man-made and why Christadelphian teaching is wrong:
It is because there is not one single shred of credible, empirical, universally scientifically accepted evidence whatsoever to prove any of the above.
There is heaps of "evidence" (of a sort) for the above, but it all shares a common denominator. The common denominator is that this evidence only convinces the human mind if it is already pre-disposed to very substantially upgrade the value of that ambiguous evidence. This is called Confirmation Bias. Let me explain some of the science behind this concept.
Confirmation Bias
Confirmation bias is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their existing beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs such as religion. For example, in studying religious matters people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing beliefs. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing beliefs.
Psychologists Jennifer Lerner and Philip Tetlock distinguished two different kinds of thinking process. "Exploratory Thought" neutrally considers multiple points of view and tries to anticipate all possible objections to every particular position. While "Confirmatory Thought" seeks to justify a specific point of view. Lerner and Tetlock say that when people expect to need to justify their position to other people, if the external parties are overly aggressive or critical, people will disengage from thought altogether, and simply assert their personal opinions without justification. Lerner and Tetlock say that people only push themselves to think critically and logically when they know in advance they will need to explain themselves to others who are well-informed and genuinely interested in the truth. Because those conditions rarely exist, they argue, most people are using confirmatory thought most of the time and are not thinking critically and rationally.
Just like narcotic drug abusers, alcoholics and cigarette smokers seek to justify their mad, destructive habits ("It calms me down" or "I need a fix" etc) so religious people trot out pathetic, feeble and totally illogical reasons to justify their silly beliefs ("It brings me comfort"; "It's the will of God"; "It's our culture" or "I just know that it's right" etc).
And just as narcotic addicts, alcoholics and smokers feel better about their weakness when they are involved in a group with similar addictions; for example in a bar or a bunch of kids sniffing gas; so religious people get a form of group belief reinforcement when they come together. Delusion of an individual is quite rare; but group delusion is so common that most people on Earth are committed to some form of group delusion, either religious or political.
How Confirmation Bias Affected Me
That is exactly what happened to me when in 1967 I joined the Christadelphians.
Preconditioned by my family religion I went along with the group delusion of the Coventry Grosvenor Road Christadelphian Ecclesia and allowed them to baptise me. I imagined that I was undergoing some form of paranormal experience in which God, Jesus and angels were watching as my sins were washed away.
But the truth was that the whole thing was merely a charade. The paranormal stuff was only happening inside our heads. No supernatural beings were watching or listening to our prayers. If religion had never been invented and I did that on my own, my parents would have rushed me down to the local psychiatric hospital and the doctors would have diagnosed me as being seriously schizophrenic. But because it was done in front of two hundred straight faced Christadelphians who all believed the same delusion, it all made sense to everyone in the hall.
But it did not make any sense. It was an act of madness. Confirmation Bias was running completely out of control in the minds of everyone who witnessed my baptism. No one had the common sense to stand up and object to the foolish behaviour that was being carried out. Someone should have stopped what was happening but they did not. That is why I now cry out to the Christadelphians "STOP this madness." We must put an end to this illogical, misguided, deluded, Confirmation Bias fuelled mistaken behaviour of our religion and instead commit ourselves to the intellectually honest practice of what Lerner and Tetlock called "Exploratory Thought."
Dr John Thomas Tried To Overcome Confirmation Bias
I come back to the words that I admire so much, of Christadelphian founder Dr John Thomas:
"Investigate everything you believe - if it is the truth it cannot be injured; if error, the sooner it is corrected the better. Never be afraid of results to which you may be driven by your investigations, as this will inevitably bias your mind and disqualify you to arrive at ultimate truth."
Notice his use of the word "bias" in the above quotation. He was using the word in the exact same way that I am defining "Confirmation Bias." He says that we should "Never be afraid of the results to which you may be driven by your investigations." But that is precisely what Confirmation Bias is. It is a fear of being shown to be wrong that becomes an overwhelmingly powerful force driving us to ignore evidence contrary to our beliefs. The result is the blatant lunacy of all religious faith beliefs, including, sadly, our own Christadelphian religion, which is no better than the rest.
Faith buttressed by ignorant, addictive Confirmation Bias is a foundation of shifting sand on which to build belief.
A bedrock of evidence and rational thinking is the foundation of Christadelphian Atheist belief.
It is because there is not one single shred of credible, empirical, universally scientifically accepted evidence whatsoever to prove any of the above.
There is heaps of "evidence" (of a sort) for the above, but it all shares a common denominator. The common denominator is that this evidence only convinces the human mind if it is already pre-disposed to very substantially upgrade the value of that ambiguous evidence. This is called Confirmation Bias. Let me explain some of the science behind this concept.
Confirmation Bias
Confirmation bias is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their existing beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs such as religion. For example, in studying religious matters people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing beliefs. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing beliefs.Psychologists Jennifer Lerner and Philip Tetlock distinguished two different kinds of thinking process. "Exploratory Thought" neutrally considers multiple points of view and tries to anticipate all possible objections to every particular position. While "Confirmatory Thought" seeks to justify a specific point of view. Lerner and Tetlock say that when people expect to need to justify their position to other people, if the external parties are overly aggressive or critical, people will disengage from thought altogether, and simply assert their personal opinions without justification. Lerner and Tetlock say that people only push themselves to think critically and logically when they know in advance they will need to explain themselves to others who are well-informed and genuinely interested in the truth. Because those conditions rarely exist, they argue, most people are using confirmatory thought most of the time and are not thinking critically and rationally.
N.B. For a more detailed explanation of Confirmation Bias: Click here.
Because of the highly charged emotional nature of religion, in the minds of religious people Confirmation Bias takes on an addictive power similar to that of the strongest and most dangerous street drugs. Their thinking becomes as crazed as crack cocaine or heroin addicts and they become convinced that their nonsensical beliefs are perfectly rational. Just like narcotic drug abusers, alcoholics and cigarette smokers seek to justify their mad, destructive habits ("It calms me down" or "I need a fix" etc) so religious people trot out pathetic, feeble and totally illogical reasons to justify their silly beliefs ("It brings me comfort"; "It's the will of God"; "It's our culture" or "I just know that it's right" etc).
And just as narcotic addicts, alcoholics and smokers feel better about their weakness when they are involved in a group with similar addictions; for example in a bar or a bunch of kids sniffing gas; so religious people get a form of group belief reinforcement when they come together. Delusion of an individual is quite rare; but group delusion is so common that most people on Earth are committed to some form of group delusion, either religious or political.
How Confirmation Bias Affected Me
That is exactly what happened to me when in 1967 I joined the Christadelphians.
Preconditioned by my family religion I went along with the group delusion of the Coventry Grosvenor Road Christadelphian Ecclesia and allowed them to baptise me. I imagined that I was undergoing some form of paranormal experience in which God, Jesus and angels were watching as my sins were washed away.
But the truth was that the whole thing was merely a charade. The paranormal stuff was only happening inside our heads. No supernatural beings were watching or listening to our prayers. If religion had never been invented and I did that on my own, my parents would have rushed me down to the local psychiatric hospital and the doctors would have diagnosed me as being seriously schizophrenic. But because it was done in front of two hundred straight faced Christadelphians who all believed the same delusion, it all made sense to everyone in the hall.
But it did not make any sense. It was an act of madness. Confirmation Bias was running completely out of control in the minds of everyone who witnessed my baptism. No one had the common sense to stand up and object to the foolish behaviour that was being carried out. Someone should have stopped what was happening but they did not. That is why I now cry out to the Christadelphians "STOP this madness." We must put an end to this illogical, misguided, deluded, Confirmation Bias fuelled mistaken behaviour of our religion and instead commit ourselves to the intellectually honest practice of what Lerner and Tetlock called "Exploratory Thought."
Dr John Thomas Tried To Overcome Confirmation Bias
I come back to the words that I admire so much, of Christadelphian founder Dr John Thomas:
"Investigate everything you believe - if it is the truth it cannot be injured; if error, the sooner it is corrected the better. Never be afraid of results to which you may be driven by your investigations, as this will inevitably bias your mind and disqualify you to arrive at ultimate truth."
Notice his use of the word "bias" in the above quotation. He was using the word in the exact same way that I am defining "Confirmation Bias." He says that we should "Never be afraid of the results to which you may be driven by your investigations." But that is precisely what Confirmation Bias is. It is a fear of being shown to be wrong that becomes an overwhelmingly powerful force driving us to ignore evidence contrary to our beliefs. The result is the blatant lunacy of all religious faith beliefs, including, sadly, our own Christadelphian religion, which is no better than the rest.
Faith buttressed by ignorant, addictive Confirmation Bias is a foundation of shifting sand on which to build belief.
A bedrock of evidence and rational thinking is the foundation of Christadelphian Atheist belief.
Why People Leave The Christadelphians
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| Ex-Christadelphians accept modern scientific advances in human understanding and reject faith based religious dogma |
But in
reality, while the Christadelphian community is hidebound, leaderless, divided, conservative, exclusive,
paranoid, out of touch, largely geriatric and increasingly irrelevant; the
Ex-Christadelphian movement is a young, well educated, fast growing, confident,
vibrant community. We have several different websites, discussion and support groups
and an outreach programme designed to encourage Christadelphians to leave their
religion. The truth for the Christadelphian community is that their brightest and best are often leaving to become Ex-Christadelphians because they see no credible evidence to support their family religion.
Ex-Christadelphians accept the findings of science about the great age of the Earth and of the Universe. We agree with human understanding about Continental Drift, Evolution and Genetics. We acknowledge the latest Israeli archaeological findings which deny the historical accuracy of the Pentateuch and much of the Biblical narrative prior to 700BC. We are liberal, reformist, inclusive, progressive and academically attuned to modern times.
Ex-Christadelphians accept the findings of science about the great age of the Earth and of the Universe. We agree with human understanding about Continental Drift, Evolution and Genetics. We acknowledge the latest Israeli archaeological findings which deny the historical accuracy of the Pentateuch and much of the Biblical narrative prior to 700BC. We are liberal, reformist, inclusive, progressive and academically attuned to modern times.
So why the
misunderstanding? Why don't Christadelphians "get" what we Ex-Christadelphians
are all about? Why did we Ex-Christadelphians trade the prospect of eternal life
and endless bliss in The Kingdom and beyond, for a few short years of frail
mortality followed by endless death?
Are we the
most stupid people on the face of the planet? - Or are we on to something? Could
it be that we have found a prize that we value significantly higher than the
prospect of living for ever?
Yes, we
have. We Ex-Christadelphians have gained something that in our estimation is
absolutely fantastic. The prospect of eternal life fades in comparison to what
we have gained and we won't swap it for anything. We love what we have gained
and we want the remaining Christadelphians to share our joy by writing their
letter of resignation to their arranging brethren.
But sadly,
it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen because most Christadelphians
place no value on the precious thing that we Ex-Christadelphians have. They
don't understand it; they don't even begin to comprehend what we have gained.
When we try to explain it to Christadelphians they return a blank stare of
baffled puzzlement. They are lost for words and shake their heads in confusion
because they don't have the faintest idea what we are saying to them.
It's rather
like a wealthy American tourist trying to explain to a destitute North Korean
peasant what life is like in Manhattan. They just would not get it.
- Because we
have gained our reason. We have broken free from an eccentric family religion
and finally discovered that the whole Christadelphian thing is just a bunch of
nonsense and that the promise of eternal life and "The Kingdom" is as empty and
meaningless as the words of Christadelphian founder Dr John Thomas when he
predicted that Christ would return in 1866.
We joined
the Christadelphians because we thought that they had discovered "The Truth" but
it was only when we plucked up the courage to leave that we finally found it.
Our truth is
not a "Statement of Faith" that can be printed, copied and learned by rote. Our
truth is an unfinished journey of discovery. Mankind has travelled some of that
path and much of it lies uncharted in the future. We Ex-Christadelphians have
fearlessly resumed our journey of seeking truth and we rejoice in our travels.
We sorrow for the Christadelphians who have ended their journey of discovery and
instead they have sat down in the road, suffering a group delusion.
Christadelphian
founder Dr John Thomas wrote:
"Investigate
everything you believe - if it is the truth it cannot be injured; if error, the
sooner it is corrected the better. Never be afraid of results to which you may
be driven by your investigations, as this will inevitably bias your mind and
disqualify you to arrive at ultimate truth."
We
Ex-Christadelphians agree with that statement; even if we disagree with almost
everything else that John Thomas wrote. If those words and that philosophy were
the guiding principle of the Christadelphian movement we might have delayed our
leaving. But following the death of John Thomas, Robert Roberts, the first
editor of The Christadelphian magazine, declared that "The Truth" had been
discovered by John Thomas and he threatened excommunication to any like us who
continued to search for truth about life and the Universe.
Robert
Roberts ignorantly nailed "The Truth" to the floorboards when he fixed it in
"The Statement of Faith" and in so doing he killed it. He killed it because he
ended the search for truth and arrogantly proclaimed that he held it in his
hand. He was wrong.
For a while,
when we were Christadelphians, we Ex-Christadelphians were also afflicted by the
group delusion of our family religion. But one by one we had the good sense to
realise that all was not right in our religion and we plucked up our courage and
handed in our letters of resignation, or allowed the Christadelphians to throw
us out.
Now we rejoice in our freedom and the joy of our resumed
search for truth. To us it is the most precious thing in the World. We are never
going to return to the soporific, mind destroying tyranny of our Christadelphian
days. Instead we are reaching out arms of love to our much loved previous
brethren and sisters, to encourage them to awake out of their sleep of delusion
and to join with us in our walk towards what our founder John Thomas called
"Ultimate Truth."
Therein is
the real difference between Christadelphians and Ex-Christadelphians. The former
believe that they have found "The Truth." We believe that we are on a journey of
discovery towards "Ultimate Truth."
The Ex-Christadelphian Continued
Dear readers and followers of the ex-christadelphian blog,
Due to a continual downward spiral in health, I have turned the ownership of this blog over to the capable hands of [redacted]. So, from now on, [redacted] is "The Ex-Christadelphian".
This is "Corky", signing off for now...take 'er away, [redacted], and thank you.
Due to a continual downward spiral in health, I have turned the ownership of this blog over to the capable hands of [redacted]. So, from now on, [redacted] is "The Ex-Christadelphian".
This is "Corky", signing off for now...take 'er away, [redacted], and thank you.
The End of the World
No, the world did not end today, as predicted by some Christian loons. Have you ever noticed that those who predict the world will NOT end on any
particular day, month, year or "generation" have been right 100% of the time? While at the same time, over the past 2,000 years, those who
have predicted that the world WILL end on a particular day, month, year or generation
have been wrong 100% of the time?
Yet, it is the very ones who have been WRONG 100% of the time who give the warning that there would be "scoffers" in the "last days". Look, doom-sayers and doomsday lovers, shouldn't the rest of us scoff at your predictions after hearing them for the past 2,000 years? After all, you're the only ones who have always been proved wrong - about practically everything, so far.
On the other hand, you might get something right if you keep guessing...but there's no reason to think so.
Yet, it is the very ones who have been WRONG 100% of the time who give the warning that there would be "scoffers" in the "last days". Look, doom-sayers and doomsday lovers, shouldn't the rest of us scoff at your predictions after hearing them for the past 2,000 years? After all, you're the only ones who have always been proved wrong - about practically everything, so far.
On the other hand, you might get something right if you keep guessing...but there's no reason to think so.
Unclean Meat
What do you think of the "fact" that there is a God "out there", somewhere, who thinks it is okay to eat grasshoppers and locusts but it is such an abomination to eat bacon, catfish and shrimp that you should be killed for eating it?
The Historical Jesus Sect
Jesus of Nazareth "most certainly did exist" - Bart Ehrman.
That's dogma.
This sect of Christendom also has doctrines - That Jesus was from Nazareth, that Jesus was an obscure apocalyptic preacher, that Jesus (contradictorily) was well known to be a Galilean, that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, that Jesus instituted a ritual called the "last supper", that Jesus was betrayed by Judas to the Sanhedrin, that Jesus was turned over to the Roman authority by the Sanhedrin, that Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilate, that Jesus was buried in a tomb.
The only difference between this sect of Christendom and the rest of Christendom is that in the historical Jesus sect, Jesus was only an ordinary man.
Other sects of Christendom have Jesus as either 100% God manifestation (as in Marcionism) or 50% God and 50% man (as in Arianism) or 100% man and 100% God (as in Trinitarianism).
Not all that much difference, really, it's the converting of atheists to this new sect of Christendom, called historical Jesus, that's the real bitch.
That's dogma.
This sect of Christendom also has doctrines - That Jesus was from Nazareth, that Jesus was an obscure apocalyptic preacher, that Jesus (contradictorily) was well known to be a Galilean, that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, that Jesus instituted a ritual called the "last supper", that Jesus was betrayed by Judas to the Sanhedrin, that Jesus was turned over to the Roman authority by the Sanhedrin, that Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilate, that Jesus was buried in a tomb.
The only difference between this sect of Christendom and the rest of Christendom is that in the historical Jesus sect, Jesus was only an ordinary man.
Other sects of Christendom have Jesus as either 100% God manifestation (as in Marcionism) or 50% God and 50% man (as in Arianism) or 100% man and 100% God (as in Trinitarianism).
Not all that much difference, really, it's the converting of atheists to this new sect of Christendom, called historical Jesus, that's the real bitch.
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