Dear team at the Ex-Christadelphians ...........

Can you help the young man
who sent us this message?
Editor's Note: At the request of the author, this message has been edited to protect his identity from the Christadelphians.

By David Evans (Not his real name)

I really hope that you exceed the efforts of the Christadelphians and take the time to reply to this.

I have been a fan and regular at your website for nearly a year, and has been my go-to for questions that I have had. I am very proud that you saw through the lies of the cult, and began to think for yourselves. Nothing that the Christadelphians teach, and the way that they behave is correct. It is very encouraging that you do this work.


I have heard your website mentioned in their exhortations a few times (something I would be proud of in your situation), simply to loosely attempt to dispute your arguments.

As for my position, I am divided. Can the Bible be this infallible if these contractions are so regular? Or is it just the Christadelphians wresting the scriptures?

First and foremost, I am NOT a Christadelphian, however I am in a relationship with one who has not yet been baptised into the faith but is in a family of very devout Christadelphians.

Her father has (deleted), and being (deleted) for many years is very knowledgeable on how to debate and discuss biblical topics. While I, myself, being only (deleted) years of age do not thoroughly understand the bible, and cannot dispute his (deleted) years of researching this "kingdom", haven't the slightest clue where to start. I would consider myself being quite well researched on biblical matters, as I grew up in a church of Christ.

Which verses and topics in particular aided you to see through the Christadelphian false teachings? I cannot tackle it from a morality perspective, as my girlfriend's family have been screwed over by the Christadelphians for many years and are aware of how un-godly they can behave. It's just the doctrine that remains that they believe is gospel truth. 

I thank you so much for your time, team, in reading this e-mail. I really do love my girlfriend, and her family are truly incredible people, vastly different from regular Christadelphians.

Really hoping to hear back from you, as you are a shining light in this dark world.

With best regards

David Evans (Not his real name)

11 comments:

  1. David: Be warned! You only think that your girlfriend’s family are “truly incredible people” because they are being nice to you hoping that you will convert to their religion and marry their daughter. If you don’t convert they are going to treat you like a leper and do all that they can to break up your relationship with your girlfriend. Your girlfriend will NOT marry you if you don’t convert to being a Christadelphian because if she does, her family will be devastated and they will treat her very differently in the future. She has been indoctrinated into the religion and therefore she will be intimidated into submitting to the coercion of her family.
    Christadelphians are very mostly unpleasant people, except to each other. Do not underestimate their behaviour. Their moral compass has been dislocated by the backward, primitive, unenlightened ethics of a period thousands of years ago when the Bible was written. Christadelphianism is an inbred, sick religion. My advice to any young person dating a Christadelphian is that they run, not walk, away from the relationship before they suffer years of unhappiness, confusion and stress. My advice to anyone married to a Christadelphian is that they file for divorce immediately. That’s what I did when I came to my senses and resigned from the Christadelphians and it was one of the best decisions of my life. Resigning from the Christadelphians was also a wonderful thing for me and it opened my eyes to my previous errors.
    David, if you think that you will be able to talk sense into your girlfriend’s family, you are mistaken. They are suffering from a deep seated, indoctrinated from the cradle, psychotic delusion that will afflict them to the grave.
    Leave now while you still have your sanity; because that is the first thing that the Christadelphians will take from you if you don’t make a break from that family.

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    1. David: Do you realise that if your girlfriend marries you and you are not convrerted to her religion, that the CDs will excommunicate her?

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    2. I am quite disturbed by your comments and i think you sound very bitter. Everybody has a choice whether to accept God and accept his commands and live by them. I have found christadelphians very strong in what they believe and some are a bit more understanding of people's strength and weeknesses. Not every christadelphian is ad you perceive them to be. Individually they will act in the way they think God wants them to be like. I adopted two children and during the process of adopoted we went before a panel of people and our religion came under scrutiny big time. They wanted to dig deep to find our views on what if your child turn away from what we believe and what if they had a lesbian relationship lesbian or hated the christadelphians with a passion. Therefore would we still standby our child would everybody else of my family and people we know from christadelphians still support them. Yes they would we would not cut them off.
      Here you are rubbishing christadelphians and trying to totally turn other people away from them. I think you are very wrong about the christadelphians and you present them all as bad people a cult that know one should go neasr and that is prejudiced for what ever experience you have had in the past. There are many christadelphians out there who are loving and caring and would do anything for you. Please think about what you right and say.

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    3. E,
      You should not be disturbed by what you read here. Your assertion that everybody has a choice about accepting God, and living by his commands is not strictly true from either ours, or your perspective. From the atheist point of view, there is no God to accept, and no commands to live by. From the Christadelphian (your?) point of view, it has to be the God/commands as defined by your founders, or your own interpretation.You may not like the articles/comments here, but those of your founders and current proponents are far, far worse.
      Yes, you have found Christadelphians "strong in their beliefs". So what? Lots of non-Christadelphians are too.
      The general perception voiced here, is that Christadelphians are highly intolerant of the views of others, religious or not, and this is demonstrated time and again not just anecdotally but through their past and present publications.
      You adopted two children. Well done. So do millions of others of all religions and none, and so do people whose sexuality would be abhorrent to Christadelphians. Please ensure you give you children the same freedoms that everybody else would. If they don't want to go to Sunday school, don't force them. If they don't want to go to a Bible camp, don't take them. If they want to go to after school lessons at the local mosque with their friends, then remember what you've written here and let them do that too.
      The Christadelphians have spent the last 180 years rubbishing everybody apart from themselves. On reading David Burke's new book, even he does it, albeit in a slightly more subtle form than is usual.
      Yes, we are trying to turn people away from the Christadelphians, but you hold all the aces in this game. Your Bible exhibitions and public lectures, and your transparently wonderful, upstanding, lifestyle should alert all about you to come and join in and have a deep, meaningful relationship with God, should it not? Surely a few comments here won't put people off from all that will they?
      Of course all Christadelphians are not bad people, but our observations and experience (and the lively stones questionnaire), and the presentations that some of them give, suggest that people need to be very cautious of them.
      A cult? Maybe not, but definitely a high control group.
      To paraphrase you:
      " There are many people (99.99999*% who are not Christadelphians) out there who are loving and caring and would do anything for you. Please think about what you write and say".

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  2. I must echo John's comments above. Your girlfriends family will be pleasant and welcoming to you, as long as you appear to be accepting of their nonsense. They genuinely hope that their place in the everlasting fantasy kingdom will be cemented by attracting you into their cult.
    However if you show signs of disagreeing with them, and worse, try and steer their daughter away from a life of compliance and subjugation, you will suddenly see their nasty side. Their daughter will be guilt tripped into dropping you like a hot potato and not allowed to see you again.
    John is correct, unless your girlfriend is strong minded enough to resist a lifetime of indoctrination and stand up to her family, your relationship is doomed.

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  3. David,

    Mark and John are correct in their advice that your girlfriend`s parents will do all they can to make sure she becomes baptised into the CD sect. John`s comments are often (in my opinion) sometimes expressed in a forceful and over-the-top manner, but that`s John. He`s a pussy cat really, but as you know, cats have claws which can be extended and retracted as necessary. You will be discouraged strongly from associating with your girlfriend unless you show a willingness to be baptised yourself. You should not do this. I`m glad you find your girlfriend`s parents pleasant. The Christadelphian friends I have retained over the many years since leaving the Christadelphians are also pleasant. I rarely discuss my disbelief with them, and if I did so strongly, I guess some of them might fall out with me, but certainly not all. I think you should read (if you haven`t already done so) some of Bart D. Ehrman`s writings, such as "Jesus, Interrupted" or "Forged". Try to get your girlfriend to discuss what Bart has to say. Try to get her to question what she was taught as a child. How does she know this is the Truth if she hasn`t tested it? I think if she loves you as you love her then the relationship is worth preserving, but not at any cost. If she is firmly under the thumb of her parents, will she always be? You need to start to lever her out. Go to it. Good luck.
    Mancott

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    1. Mancott,
      John has a past of spirited comments here but this current one whilst blunt, is spot on the money. No claws, just straight talking. Not a single thing there that is not 100% true. Sadly, he needs to dump her. P.O.F, that is just the way it is.

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  4. If you remain unbaptised, your girlfriend is baptised, and you get married, the exact response will vary from family to family and ecclesia to ecclesia. There is no one size fits all template. As stated above, some will disfellowship her completely. Some will disfellowship her on the understanding that she can be received back once she acknowledges she has sinned. And some will accept both her and you (though they will probably continue to encourage you to be baptised). As for the parents, in my experience most Christadelphian parents wish to retain the best relationship they can with their children and their children's partners, even if they disagree with their life choices.

    If you remain unbelieving, it will make things more difficult, but so long as your girlfriend, her parents and the ecclesia react sanely it can probably be made to work. Whether that is wise is your call, and I'm not sure you were even asking advice on it...

    To reasons for unbelief: My personal story was that I suddenly realised that when I prayed there was no way of knowing if there was someone on the other end. I then slowly over a number of years came across other reasons for doubting the Bible and the Christadelphian teachings. And very little of that gets a positive response from believers. But I think it's valuable to question how we know the Bible was inspired by God, how it got into the form it is in now, and how we know we have interpreted it correctly (after all, there are rather a lot of denominations and interpretations from the same text, and some of them view other texts as canonical as well). Be aware that while your girlfriend's father may be extremely knowledgable about traditional Christadelphian interpretations of the text, he may be less aware of current scholarly interpretations, and he may be so used to looking at scriptures through a Christadelphian lens that he can't see what it actually says.

    Prophecy is particularly open to question: If it's so clear, how come Christadelphians have continually made wrong predictions based on it? How can you be sure that passages from different prophets refer to the same event and should be linked together? How do you know that prophecies like the return of Israel were talking about the second exile rather than the first exile when they were given? Why were the NT writers incorrect in expecting the return of Christ in their lifetime?

    If you haven't read Unbelievable (linked in the sidebar) I would recommend it. It's free, it's not too long, it contains various reasons to disbelieve the Christadelphian account, and Rob also talks about his personal experiences and the responses of the Christadelphian community to him leaving.

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    1. Yes, but why put yourself through all that grief? Just call it a day and find someone who is not yoked with a bunch of crackpots who think they are lined up for a world takeover. Prophecy is not open to question. It's as potty as cooking your dinner on your own shit pile- a bad idea, best forgotten/ignored. I've met these Christadelphian prophecy "experts", a spare room full of CD books and a suit, a f*&k all idea about anything else. John is giving the good advice here.....RUN!

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    2. I attempted to answer David Evans' questions. I assume he will read all the comments and make a judgement based on his specific scenario, which we don't know all the details of. I was just providing a different perspective from those already given as the one true answer.

      My ecclesia accepted people marrying outside the faith even when the unbelieving partner rarely/never attended, and I assume it is not the only one like that. But even with liberal parents in a liberal ecclesia it will make things harder and I imagine put a strain on the relationship. I would not recommend it.

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    3. As to prophecy and the inspiration of the Bible, I was listing some of the questions I have that get to the root of the problem. I share your dislike of Christadelphian prophecy experts who "with Bible in hand" make predictions that usually turn out false. I don't understand how they remain confident that their next prediction will be a success when their previous ones failed. But then, I was never convinced by their prophetic brilliance when I was a believer.

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