Christmas cartoon (2)

I was going to join the Christadelphians
until I realised that they were
dying faster than us


  1. Thinking Christadelphians will realise that to complain about this being a bad taste joke is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black after Christadelphians paid $500 to listen to Jonathan Bowen spouting his brand of Christadelphian filth, or heard the geriatric ramblings of Paul Billington claiming that he had to call his daughter in the UK to get the result of the US election because "the internet was down" will wisely be not offended and keep quiet.
    Johns comments on "The Christadelphian" are broadly correct, however being in a care home does not automatically make one unable to think. Both my elderly (101) great aunt, and Father (88) died in care homes, but were just to physically weak to cope at home, both were talking sense till their last breaths, but neither were Christadelphians :) (thank God).
    As recorded by "The Christadelphian", 149 UK members died during 2016. 66 joined, who are children of existing Christadelphians. A further 22 joined from "outside", of which at least 6 were destitute asylum seekers from Islamic countries. A further 16 were dis-fellowshipped (for all the usual reasons), and 10 made the pathetic error of rejoining.

  2. And now for something that will REALLY offend Christadelphians. 3 of the deaths occurred whilst a CD was driving a vehicle (but no "apostates" or other riff-raff died, just the CD). 3 from a (so-called) "community" of about 6000. This is about 20 times the national death rate in such circumstances. Is this:

    (1) Christadelphian drivers do not fear death.(If you choose this answer, please explain why Christadelphians with cancer choose to trust the "wisdom of man" over the prayers of the brethren and sisters, to hang on to life in "this dark world" when they have eternity in The Kingdom to greet them.....).
    (2) Christadelphian drivers believe they have superior knowledge and skills to the rest of us?
    (3) The "Angels in heaven" are too busy celebrating baptisms to get involved with mundane stuff like looking after "the saints".
    (4) God is rounding up candidates to "rule over town and cities".
    (5) None of the above, it's just bad luck.

    Please post your answer below....

    1. Joe, if you pick any small group they are unlikely to match the overall average - some will be higher, some will be lower, and individual events will have more impact. I think that puts me with your (5). And I don't know the circumstances of the car crash you are talking about, and so have no idea who (if anyone) was at fault.

      But I think you missed a few options:
      1. What's luck got to do with it? God gave all the drivers involved free will, and this can have consequences. Are you really arguing for him to remove their free will?

      2. God can't root for the true believers too obviously, otherwise everyone would take note and convert for the wrong reasons.

      I'm not sure if I've specifically heard that second argument in this context, but I've certainly heard that style of argument. It has the unfortunate side-effect that it seems to invalidate miraculous healings as a result of prayer. Why pray to God and look for a miraculous healing if you know he needs to conceal his presence by not doing any healings that are too obvious?

    2. JJ, The comment was meant as you have guessed, to be somewhat tongue in cheek. Three individual UK Christadelphian drivers all died in separate crashes, all of which were appalling tragedies for the families involved, and which it is not my intention to mock here, or elsewhere. I was however struck by the irony that earlier in the year, a sister had written to the magazine specifically bringing to attention the fear caused in children by the poor driving standards of (some) brethren and sisters. Putting two and two together and getting five, I wondered if the Christadelphian habit of bringing people up to believe that their take on a given set of fact is superior to all others, may have trickled over into this area of life, and made a small but significant enhancement of the risk. Just a thought, and, I say again, not something to find funny in any way. Just interesting.
      Also, if any of the three had survived (one survived the initial incident), would their recovery have been put down to the wisdom and skill of the medical team, or the will of God and the prayers of the community?
      Anecdotally (always risky I know) I observe that Christadelphians, along with most others, favour the use of conventional science based medicine whenever they are ill or their life is threatened with the secret prayers of the community as back up.

  3. Your usual Christadelphian moronDecember 24, 2016 at 8:41 AM

    God killed the three Christadelphians in the vehicle smash because he loves Christadelphians and he was testing us.

    See: Hebrews 12:6-8. King James Version (KJV).

    6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
    7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
    8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    It is one of the many signs of the times that proves that Christ is about to return. What further evidence do you Ex-Christadelphians need to learn that we are the "Sons" of God and not "bastards" like you Ex-Christadelphians who are part of the global Evolutionist conspiracy to hide the truth of God's creation?

    We may be dying like Christmas turkeys and we may have all lost our minds, but as the apostle Paul says in 1 Corinthians 1:21 "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."

    We may be as "foolish" as turkeys and yes I agree that we hardly know what day of the week it is or which side of the bed to get out of in the morning; but you Ex-CDs must understand that the progressive senility of our community is another sign of the times that the "foolishness" of our preaching is clear evidence of the truth of what we are saying.

    Even though Putin is in the North and Donald Trump will wind up in the South in fulfillment of Bible prophecy; even though we Christadelphians are dying like flies and our young people are fleeing from our community ("there shall come scoffers in the last days") you Ex-Christadelphians still won't accept the obvious truth that God is doing everything possible to show to the World that the Christadelphians are the only true religion. (Excluding all of the other Christadelphian fellowships who will be rejected and shamed at the judgement seat of Christ for their deliberate rejection of the Truth.)

  4. YUCM, sounds like you would appreciate the Babylon Bee.

    1. I like the gag about closing the church on Christmas day. That's what my ecclesia have always done, and have again this year. December's magazine had plenty of announcements that this is done because of the numbers away on holiday. Round here its because pre dinner drinks and presents is at 11 AM and few of the Brethren would be in a fit state to deliver a lecture by early afternoon.

    2. Yes, I liked that one too. Apparently it hit a nerve on their Facebook page. Lots and lots of defensive comments which proved a little too much (yes, if you grant that God can work through anyone anywhere and doesn't require attendance on a specific day then it's fine to close on 25th December - but why then are you open and attending every other Sunday?).

      There is a letter in the January Christadelphian commenting on the number of closures on December 25.

      For us, it was more the few Sundays after Christmas that were difficult to keep open as everyone went on holiday.

    3. Does anyone remember the poem I posted a couple of years ago about the sister who stormed out of the Meeting on Christmas Day? It maybe still around the blog somewhere.

    4. Yes, Mancott, I did remember it. I assume you mean

    5. It has been brought to my attention that my former ecclesia did in fact hold a meeting on 25th December this year, but not a Bible Talk. Well done to you all as this is for the first time in at least 2 decades, not sure if this is because the risk of being mistaken for Christians has receded, or there was a risk that resurrected saints (as suggested by Jonathan Bowen) might show up and find the place locked :)

    6. Some Birmingham ecclesias are thinking about going one better and holding their meetings on 'their' number 11 bus, as this is a circular route. The exhortations could then be allowed to be extended for as long as some brethren seem to think they should. The meeting could last for well over two hours, and the content of the exhortation could match the circular nature of the route, as is often the case. This venue is also a good way of saving on hall heating costs. If the bible talk was also held in this way, there would be a constant influx of "strangers" at each bus stop. It will almost certainly happen.


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