Our first Ex-Christadelphians baptism

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By Reuben Kibet (Kenya)
and John Bedson (Australia)

HI JOHN LOVING GREATINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS. WE ARE IN KENYA SMALL GROUP. WE REQUEST TO WORK TOGETHER. WE THANK BROTHER MBALANGA FRANCIS FOM ZAMBIA AFRICA. WE ACCEPT TO WORK TOGETHER. WE HAPPY AND WE HAVE FRIEND NEED BAPTISING IN OUR ECCLISIA TO BE A FRIEND IN ISOLATION SO WE NEED HELP IN GOSPEL. GOD BLESSING JOHN AND FRANCIS. R KIBET.



Reply by John Bedson

Thank you for your email Reuben.

I agree that your ecclesia should go ahead and baptise the friend that you mention, but I want you, your friend and your ecclesia to understand the following:

1. I have no authority to speak for the Ex-Christadelphians because we are an international, informal group of friends who have either rejected formal Christadelphianism or who have been disfellowshipped by the Christadelphians. We are not a fellowship in the Christadelphian use of that word. I am the owner and editor of the Ex-Christadelphians website, but I can only speak for myself and give your my own advice.

2. Different Ex-Christadelphians hold a very wide variety of different beliefs which range from Atheism (not believing in God) to Theism (believing in God). For example Francis believes in God but I do not. But we are both Ex-Christadelphians and we work together with the same aim of freeing people from the CBM and Christadelphians. Some Ex-Christadelphians believe exactly the same as the Christadelphians and some believe very different things. There is no fixed and agreed Ex-Christadelphian set of beliefs and we like it that way. You and your ecclesia and your friend can believe whatever you want and I am OK with that.

3. If the CBM has forced you to disfellowship anyone in your ecclesia, I recommend that you cancel that disfellowshipping and readmit them to your fellowship immediately. Forgive them in the spirit of Christ if they have done anything wrong and put it behind you.

4. I recommend that you NEVER disfellowship anyone in the future for any reason whatsoever. Instead I suggest that you forgive them.

5. I recommend that you and your ecclesia get the CBM out of your lives by writing to them resigning from the CBM fellowship.

6. I recommend that you consider that your ecclesia is independent and autonomous. Decisions about your conduct and beliefs should be made collectively by your ecclesia and not forced upon you by others from outside, as the CBM do to African Ecclesias in their fellowship. There is no scriptural support for such a concept as the CBM telling everyone what they should believe and how they should behave.

7. I recommend that you work together with Francis Mbalanga, Emmanuel Gubika in Uganda and others who have left the CBM in Africa, to build a new fellowship of ecclesias, operating along Ex-Christadelphian principles of tolerance, friendship and forgiveness. You can use this website to publicise your work and the development of that fellowship. But it should be a fellowship of friends within the Ex-Christadelphians circle of friends, not a formal, legalistic fellowship as practiced by the CBM and other Christadelphian fellowships.

8. I recommend that African Ex-Christadelphians join the Facebook Ex-Christadelphians Discussion Group for mutual support, advice and discussion with hundreds of other Ex-Christadelphians who will be keen to help you. You can also discuss and ask for help and advice on this website. 

9. I recommend that you be responsible for your own welfare, although in the case of extreme need, wealthy Ex-Christadelphian business people have offered to help Ex-Christadelphians in need and this has happened in the past. But we are not a welfare organisation like the CBM. You should endeavour to care for your own.

10. If you want theological guidance, I recommend that you consult with Francis in Zambia and Emmanuel in Uganda who are well versed in scriptural matters. As I do not believe that God exists I can't help you there. However there are a considerable number of Ex-Christadelphian Theists in the Facebook Discussion Group who will be able to give you assistance. 

So good luck with your baptism and please send us a picture, because to the best of my knowledge, your friend will be the first person to ever be baptised into the Ex-Christadelphians. I rejoice with you that this lucky person will not have to suffer the curse of CBM Christadelphian humiliation, indoctrination and subjection. Instead they will enjoy the freedom of conscience and belief, love and tolerance of the Ex-Christadelphians.

4 comments:

  1. If any Theist Ex-Christadelphians would like to offer help, support and advice to Reuben and his ecclesia, either make a comment here, or email me asking for Reuben's email so that you can contact him directly.

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  2. If any other Christadelphian ecclesias or individuals anywhere else in the world would like to reject the sectarian, intolerant, judgemental ways of the traditional Christadelphian fellowships I invite them to seriously consider adopting an Ex-Christadelphians approach to shaping their religious beliefs and behaviour. Ex-CDs could run a Theist Ex-Christadelphians religion far more effectively than the incompetent people who currently manage the affairs of the Christadelphian religion.

    You don't have to be Atheist to be an Ex-Christadelphian. We have large numbers of Theists who love being liberal, tolerant, forgiving, open-minded Ex-Christadelphian Theists.

    You would be welcome to write Theist articles on this website and help to balance our current Atheist leanings.

    There is no reason why this website should be so predominantly Atheistic. It should be a neutral Ex-Christadelphians website serving the interests of all shades of opinion in the Ex-Christadelphians.

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    1. THANKS JOHN WE HAPPY GOD BLESSED YOU AMEN

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    2. Reuben: Baptise that person immediately.

      The CBM keep Africans waiting for years while they push endless correspondence courses onto them. That is entirley unscriptural. In the New Testament they baptised people, including children, immediately they asked to be baptised.

      If Africans don't understand your religion, it does not matter. Baptise them real fast and teach them the religion later. They can be baptised into Christ with only an elementry understanding of what they are doing.

      I repeat: that's hopw the Early Church did it, so why do it the crazy Christadelphian way instead?

      I don't believe in the Bible myself, but if you do, then follow it and don't invent ridiculous Christadelphian traditions that have nothing to do with the Bible and are merely inventions of white Victorian British bad tempered, argumentative old men in the Nineteenth Century.

      If believers want to believe different to you, then let them. Why object to their freedom of thought and belief? You don't have the right to do that. In the Early Church they believed a multitude of different things, for example Paul believed differently to Peter and some of the other apostles.

      Be tollerant and forgiving. Be patient and wise; not dictatorial, judgemental and self-righteous like the CBM and the Christadelphians.

      Do any other readers have suggestions as to how people who do believe in the Bible can reform Christadelphian teaching to improve it?

      Africans believers can ditch the CBM and start with a clean slate. How can they improve on what the CBM taught them and what CBM teaching should be ignored?

      We may be mostly Atheists on this website, but we are a lot smarter than the believers. We could design a religion much better than the incompetent Christadelphians who do have faith. So let's help the Africans to design a religion that is superiour to any competing religion including the Christadelphians.

      Improving on the Christadelphians is something that we could do withour eyes closed and both hands tied behind our backs. So let's have some suggestions please.

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