Michael Ashton refellowshipped

Michael Ashton won a Nobel Prize
in 2011 for his outstanding
contribution to hypocrisy

From The Christadelphian magazine April 2016

24 comments:

  1. The movie was financed by a wealthy Ex-Christadelphian businessman from Sydney Australia. Mancott plays Paul Wasson, Gerri plays Kate Miles. I'm Roger Long and Leonardo DiCaprio takes the lead as Mike Ashton.

    Joseph Strong plays a drunken Recording Brother demanding the return of a Pound note that he donated twenty years previously. Steve Pryde plays the sensible Andrew Bramhill who tries to sort out the mess.

    The movie concludes with Leonardo DiCaprio (Mike Ashton) giving a motivational talk at Washwood Heath ecclesia stepping down off the platform and saying to an elderly Christadelphian arranging brother "Sell me this pen." See: Click here.

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    1. Wasson, yes; but, Paul?
      Interesting about the association with a pen and Washwood Heath ecclesia, as a former brother from there, in the early stages of dementia I`m told, used to go around giving away pens.
      Also, not sure if you have the right ecclesia, because after Washwood Heath`s closure the site was sold and became a Mosque some time ago, before the film was made?

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    2. Thanks for the correction. It is Woodgate ecclesia.

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    3. Mancott,
      Did you realise that the brother in the early stages of dementia was 19 years old and had only been baptised for a month? He had only given two Bible classes and a lecture on "Evolution-The work of The Devil".
      He has since gone on to be an internationally recognised speaker with more than 20 disfellowshippings to his name.

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    4. Ben, Are you related to the well known Scottish comedian Phil McCracken?

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    5. Phil and I were a double act. We were the warm up for Koff & Spytte, the Flemish comedians.
      Eventually the bottom dropped out of it. Two Christadelphians , Billington and Bowen started doing a show that had people bent double laughing, and didn't charge entry either. We were doomed.

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    6. Billington and Bowen? Some fraternal gathering that was! I suppose they ended their act with a bun fight. Still, that`s show business.

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  2. Kate Miles is a nice person I have spoken to her a few times so is Rob. I met Michael once at a prophecy I was new to CD at the time I tried to speak to Michael but he just blanked me. If I ever see him again I will make sure I give him a peace of my mind

    PF

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    1. Hopefully, Anonymous, you will give MA, as you say, a peace
      of your mind rather than a piece of your mind. Don`t give too many pieces of your mind away.

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    2. I do mean a piece of my mind. However this will not happen because I do not want to go to a Christadelphian meeting ever again. Also its up to each ecclesia who they book as a speaker therefore I believe very few ecclesias will ask him to speak to him

      PF

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  3. hello dear friends this may not be the right topic to post this but I was wondering how can I unlearn everything the CD have been teaching me?

    PF

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    1. Like all horrid experiences, give it sufficient time and it will fade from your memories like a bad dream. Stop thinking about it and get on with your life.

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    2. Anon, compare the CD teachings with critical writings. Try some of Bart Ehrman`s books or videos, "The Ark before Noah" by Irving Finkel, or, "God - a biography" by Jack Miles.

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    3. Peter,
      While both of the above comments are valid, it does a little depend on whether it is the Christadelphians you are finished with, or religion in general. I think John and Mancott did both at the same time, whereas I did not. You can't unlearn CD teaching, but you can replace it with something more sensible. Mancott's testimony tells how staying away from the CD influence helps, I know this to be the case. Thus I would say most importantly, to stay WELL AWAY from them. "God- A Biography" is not a simple book to read. In fact when I read it I found it downright shocking-what I thought I knew about God turned out to be nothing, I came away de-converted, and not happy.
      If you read "Believing Bullshit" by Stephen Law, you will get a good idea of how easy it is to be drawn into intellectual black holes, of which religion is just one. Back this up with festinger's "when prophecy fails" and your bullshit detectors should be well armed. (although sometimes I think mancott still suffers from a little cognitive dissonance :) ).
      That said, I am glad I was brought up in a Christian denomination. Without it I would have had nothing with which to compare the antics of my christadelphian brethren and sisters. On reflection, the cognitive dissonance this caused allowed me to walk away.
      As John implies, some experiences in life are worse than leaving the CD's. They are like a bad dream that carries on through the daytime, pushing out the enjoyment of real life. Given time, even these start to fade.

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    4. Joseph: "Cognitive Dissonance" - "the state of having inconsistent thoughts,beliefs or attitudes especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change".
      Well, hmm, thanks Joseph.

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    5. It's not even raining yet and the fish are biting....

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    6. Mancott,
      Do you know anything about the Woodgate ecclesia? I ask because they seem to meet nowhere near Woodgate- In fact it would seem that if the members went to Birmingham west or Halesowen (with whom they share Bible class), they would be much nearer to Woodgate....very odd..

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    7. Joseph: I havn`t lived in the English Midlands for over 50 years, and I havn`t had much knowledge of CD meeting rooms for over 40 years. I know Woodgate is a long established ecclesia, but since I knew of it all those years ago, it may have moved its geographical meeting place but still retained its name. Someone will provide the info I guess.

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    8. Joseph, Woodgate ecclesia meets (so my Google researches inform me) in Romsley, which is roughly midway between Rubery and Halesowen. They meet in a scout hut, and no doubt, appropriately, tie themselves and others in a variety of knots from time to time when they are trying to come to terms with reality and what they read in their bibles. No doubt the sluggards among them have not ploughed today because of the cold (see the readings for today).

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    9. Mancott: You still do the daily Bible readings????

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    10. John: NO!!! But I do have a leather-bound bible reading calendar to which I can refer when I want to know what is being read by the few Cd`s I`m in touch with. I like to drop the odd relevant remark into the conversation to see if THEY are still "doing" the readings.

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    11. On the basis of past performance, I doubt if they would be ploughing whatever the weather. Far more likely they would be following John 4:38.

      John: You need to keep an eye on Mancott. Evidence of "falling away". If needs be we may need the help of a couple of Australian ex-brothers to fly over and disfellowship him.

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    12. Joseph, your stated aim in life is written on the tin of Tate and Lyles`s Golden Syrup??? I`m sure there is nothing to fear. . .from de Vere.

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  4. Thank you John, Mancott, and Joseph, for your advice and support, I tried to forget about the kingdom as I do not want to live a left of obedience to than have more obedience in the kingdom. I tried psychedelics hoping it would help me to forget. These days instead of reading books I have gone back to playing video games I have a PS4 but at the night time when I'm in bed I can not help but think about everything they were teaching me.

    PF

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