Corky's Revelation

Nineteen years ago - which was fifteen years after leaving Christadelphianism and becoming an atheist - I had a vision and a revelation from God. Yes! It really happened! Well, let me tell you about it.


I was in the hospital recovering from heart surgery when all of a sudden a bright light appeared in my room between my bed and the door. An hallucination for sure, I thought, until a figure appeared resembling a man. I then pressed the button summoning the nurse because I figured something was wrong but no nurse came.

The vision then spoke - in my mind and not in audible words and explained to me that Jesus had returned just as he said he would do in that generation of 2,000 years ago and the kingdom was established on the earth just as he said it would be. I knew in my mind that the vision meant that the kingdom of God was the Christian Church. Not only that but I was supposed to carry this message to my brethren - meaning the Christadelphians, of course.

The vision disappeared and I fell asleep. I was awakened later by visitors but I kept the vision to myself until I could talk to the doctor about it. The doctor laughed and said that the medications do strange things to some people.

The vision did bother me though and a few years ago I did mention this vision to certain Christadelphians on the Bible Truth Discussion Forum - by private message, of course. They were pretty quick to explain to me that this doctrine was known as "Preterism" and a god-awful doctrine it is too, they said in so many words. Well, then they explained how and why it couldn't be true etc and I'm glad they did because I had the thought in the back of my mind that I might be ignoring God or something. What a relief that turned out to be!

I'm glad I didn't succumb to this so-called "religious experience" like so many other people do - like someone praying for a rare car part and then finding one and then believing that it was God's answer to their prayer. It's funny though, that they never have another vision or answered prayer once they get off the medication or quit the dope and/or get their mouth off the bottle.

Peace, Christadelphians and once again - thank you.

18 comments:

  1. An interesting story, and one that whether or not it is true deserves grappling with (not that I like to doubt you or anyone, but when anyone tells unusual stories one has to be careful).

    I have for a while felt that there are issues if we think an experience that happened to a Christadelphian is valid, but a similar experience to a non-Christadlphian is not valid.

    Some examples:
    1. Visions & near death experiences (not that I've heard anything from Christadelphians, but we would reject things like "Heaven is for Real" and like your vision because it was doctrinally wrong). I would guess that such visions are influenced not just by drugs but by past experiences, and that you would be less likely to have such a vision if you knew nothing about the kingdom.

    2. Faith healings: While we (hopefully justly) reject the more "obvious" forms of faith healing, prayer for healing will assume that healings are designed, and non-healings are God's will.

    3. You've probably heard stories like "It just came into my head to ring a random number and when I did it was my long lost friend Jim who I hadn't spoken to in 15 years and was really struggling". Again, I don't hear these stories from Christadelphians, but I don't have a rational explanation for them.

    There are a few possible explanations:
    1. God is not working in these events at all. There are natural explanations.

    2. God is working with people from all churches. We have to reconcile potentially contradictory messages from those people.

    3. Events that happen to Christadelphians in good standing are the work of God. Other events have natural causes or are intended to lead them to the truth.

    4. God works in mysterious ways, and thus can use natural means to work out his plan in complex ways that we do not fully understand.

    None of these explanations really satisfy me, though if put to it I would probably pick 1 with maybe a hint of 4. (4) is probably the best explanation that fits both the facts and the religion. (2) is very hard to reconcile with sound doctrine, and (3) sounds too good to be true.

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    1. Anon, I just chalk it up as 'weird things happen', a trick of the mind. A really weird thing about the human mind is that we can even have memories of things happening that never happened at all. Over time, even a dream can become real to us (and can't we have some weird ones?) and a lot of what we see is actually only what we want or expect to see. That's the reason for the scientific method - so that we will not be fooled by our own minds. That's why it's important to follow the actual evidence and not feelings and beliefs.

      I pick #1 of your second list because everything I know about does have a natural explanation. Even things that people used to consider to have supernatural causes have been found to not have supernatural causes at all but was simply because the natural explanation was not understood or known about at the time.

      Your mention of "sound doctrine" would naturally mean "Christadelphian doctrine" to you and I guarantee that every other "sound doctrine" in the world cannot be reconciled with it. You are then left with either denying the other sound doctrine, which is called "denial" or believing two different things at the same time, which is called "cognitive dissonance". Neither one will get you to "the truth" - truth can only be determined by following the facts in evidence and not following belief in what you want and hope to be true.

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    2. I'm inclined to pick #1 too - I just can't rule out the occasional #4. References to "sound doctrine" and "the truth" are somewhat tongue in cheek (I've heard them a lot of times).

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  2. The Kingdom of God is the Christian Church, what did you think it was the Muslim Church? Israel is plainly used as a METAPHOR in the Bible for the new people of God, the Church.

    The reason God gave you a vision while you were in hospital on drugs is because that is the ONLY time God can give a man a vision without it infrigining his free will, in other words because everyone will tell you it was just the drugs. Corky, stop playing games, when I was in hospital having visions it was for winning horse racing tips the next day, but something deep down still tells you its just the drugs. So quit with the BS your good at that lately.

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    1. Corky, what I meant is only you know if your vision was the drugs or something more. Do not pretend to be confused, you can't mock God.

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  3. Take it as you will, anonymous, I don't really care that much anymore. John cares but I got over it a long time ago. It's time I retired from all this and moved on to more important things like caring about myself and people like you can go straight to... where ever you think you go.

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    1. to the grave probably Corky, but atleast I would have been honest with myself in doing so, unlike you.

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  4. You can go to ...... "Heaven." I'm sure that's what Corky had in mind, it just slipped his memory. It was on the tip of his tongue "You can go to H...." and he lost the plot and forgot what he was saying.

    If the Kingdom of God is the Christian Church that makes a lot of sense to me. What with all that killing and martydom, burning to death, crusades and the thumbscrews etc. That sounds just the sort of thing that the God of the Bible would do to his chosen people. Yeah - I agree with you 100%.

    Now please don't go and spoil it all by telling me that it has to be the "XYZ Church of the Holy Give Us All Your Money" and that all the other Christians will be going to Hell because they are wilfully ignorant of your way of interpreting the Bible. Write something like that and Corky will tell you to go to Hell.

    Corky is a bit like the God of the Old Testament. Talk to him the wrong way when he's had a bad night and you are toast!!

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  5. Corky have you completely lost the plot? You are about 70 and you think you have suddenly found freedom? All you have found is yet another example of Corky being bullheaded again! You heed to put things back in perspective, life is short, you have your eternity to consider and if 'you dont care' others do, including me, your family and God etc. So quit with the nonsense, repent (sincerely) not when you are in an obstinate mood and ask for the Holy Spirit (in the Name of Jesus). Trust me Corky, the guessing will then be over.

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  6. it is upto you (Luke 11:13)

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  7. "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12.

    Did Christadelphians ever tell you that Name was Jesus?

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  8. Visions & near death experiences (not that I've heard anything from Christadelphians, but we would reject things like "Heaven is for Real" and like your vision because it was doctrinally wrong). I would guess that such visions are influenced not just by drugs but by past experiences, and that you would be less likely to have such a vision if you knew nothing about the kingdom.



    >> Yes there are visions and then visions, the Bible writers visions were not those of someeone insane, they made metaphoric sense, they told a logical story. Of course visions are influenced by past events they have to be, the biblical ones, because they have to draw on cultural reference points that make sense to the person having the vision. I had visons from God on 4 occassions as a child, that God kept veiled from me until I asked for the Holy Spirit 18 years later. We are all under a veil of forgetfullness, just like Israel was of old. A vision from God will be rational and as clear as daylight reality. I was once given drugs in hospital after an operation and hallucinated but visions you see in that sort of state are forms of suggestion, in other words there is a part of you fully aware you are having hallucination due to the hospital drugs and you are playing along with it. I am convinced most mentally ill people who have visions are hear voices are aware they are roll playing in their own game of self suggestion/hypnosis. A real vision from God you will know in your heart is on a different level and will above all be logical (will make sense and be supported by the Bible). The two are clearly distinguishable, that is why mad men did not get called prophets in the Bible, because distinctions have historically and logically been made.

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    1. If Corkys vision said the Vatican was the Kingdom of God then we would have problems, but the Christian Church is not a visible organisation, it is made up of individuals who God decides are saved and who may well in the future inhabit a literal kingdom of God as well. The Church is not a building or organisation. The kingdom of God is not natural Israel, but may well be (in the future), but by then it will be spiritual.

      So Corky, your vision sounds rational, only you know if it was the drugs or not.

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  9. Visions & near death experiences (not that I've heard anything from Christadelphians, but we would reject things like "Heaven is for Real" and like your vision because it was doctrinally wrong). I would guess that such visions are influenced not just by drugs but by past experiences, and that you would be less likely to have such a vision if you knew nothing about the kingdom.



    > Alot of old people when they are dying are given a glimpse/a vision of the glory to come. Have you ever been with an old person who is dying and in their last days or hours they are utterly radiant with love and joy? I have several times. I know why. Our God is so great!

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  10. The mind can play incredible tricks on you, before I became a Christian I studied hypnosis and suggestion. Many of the Catholic visions of the virgin Mary are clear examples of the power of suggestion when large groups are concerned. I could go through the Bible and explain everything in relation to suggestion, I could even prove the bible uses those techniques. Yet even knowing this and being utterly sure that I had Christians and the Bible all sown up and explained within my academic framework of psychology/suggestion, it was not until I repented and asked for the Holy Spirit that the veil was removed and absolute proof to me was given and all my previous assumptions were destroyed. So while it is true the mind plays tricks on you, the paradox is it is in those moments alone that God can intervene and speak to you, because that is the only way He can do so and still maintain your moral autonomy and free will. The Bible prophecies are fulfilled in exactly the same way. There is always enough room given by God to offer another rational explanation. If their was not then there would be no athiests in the world. Bible prophecy I am very familiar with, but it is intentionally vague enough to maintain moral autonomy and free will. So Corky, I have just worked out for you that if God was ever going to speak to you and maintain your moral autonomy and free will (give you an option to deny it happened), then it probably would be when you were in hospital on drugs. I would ask myself in this case what is the best outcome for you? That you deny it was God or you accept it was God, clearly as you are currently an athiest the logic would be to accept it, thus also proving as that is logical it was indeed from God.

    Hope that helps.

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    1. Anonymous, have I misunderstood you, or are you seriously saying that God is more likely to send a vision to an atheist than to a Christian? Also to say that prophecy is intentionally vague? (if John Bedson could be bothered he would have a field day with that statement).

      Your concept of free will is unusual, to say the best.

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  11. The Christian is already won over, the atheist is the lost sheep.

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  12. why wouldn't God send a vision to an atheist,He may see him as lost sheep and would like him back,afterall Christ mingled with tax collectors and prostitude,He did not go to people in high positions.

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