Happy Chinese New Year

January 26, 2009 begins the year of the ox.

The Chinese calendar was invented by Emperor Huangdi in the year 2637 BC.

That's a couple hundred years before Noah's worldwide flood, so it's kind of interesting how that can be possible.

14 comments:

  1. Doesn't really matter, does it Questeruk? After all, the American Indians were making war on each other for more than 5 thousand years before Noah. Not only that, but the Clovis people before them had been extinct for two thousand years before that.

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  2. Corky

    Attributed to Napoleon, but I haven't been able to establish the veracity, but the sentiments are appropriate to you..."Its amazing what people will believe, as long as it isn't written in the Bible"

    Chris

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  3. I heard it the other way Chris, "It's amazing what people will believe, as long as it is written in the Bible".

    I believe this to be the more accurate quote.

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  4. "I heard it the other way Chris, "It's amazing what people will believe, as long as it is written in the Bible".

    I believe this to be the more accurate quote."

    At least Corky you help to establish the comment to be correct in intend.

    Chris

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  5. I believe that at the very least, we should apply typical atheist/skeptic/objective thinking standards to allegedly historical figures such as Emperor Huangdi.

    Who knows how long before Chinese oral traditions regarding him and the calendar were finally committed to rice paper? I mean, how accurate could those be? Isn't it just possible that Huangdi was a collage of other famous Chinamen of his era? Or, perhaps the Buddhist Church totally made him up, and he never existed at all. Perhaps they are referring to Judas of Chungking, a zealot and revolutionary, and are attributing Emperor status to him.

    Do any other nations have actual records of his existence? Are there any original records available to document him at all, or do we only have alleged copies and mere fragments? Were Chinese gnostic versions of the calendar suppressed, and will these eventually surface at Wang Hammadi? Was this calendar in reality a plagiarization of Zoroastrian calendars based on ancient legends?

    Most historians believe that the references to Huangdi in the works of Mandarin historian Hung Chou were a forgery, added later, as they are inconsistent with the literary style in the rest of Hung Chou's works.

    Go figure! This whole incredible story will probably appeal to the same mindless people who believe in leprechauns and the flying spaghetti monster.

    BB

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  6. Corky said...

    “I don't mind your opinion but let's try to keep it above the ridiculous - okay?”


    Hey Corky – Bob made a perfectly reasonable point about checking out sources in his posting. It was just in his final paragraph that he mentions leprechauns and the flying spaghetti monster.

    How come you take exception to Bob mentioning this? How many times on these blogs are atheists linking leprechauns, flying spaghetti monsters and God together? I’ve seen this dozens of times in the past few months.

    Is it you policy that only atheists can mention leprechauns and flying spaghetti monsters with impunity?

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  7. No Questeruk, it was this that I feel is stupid and more than a little bent.

    Go figure! This whole incredible story will probably appeal to the same mindless people who believe in leprechauns and the flying spaghetti monster.

    As far as I know of, no one here believes in leprechauns and the flying spaghetti monster, so what is to be made of the remark?

    Maybe it goes right over your head but I understand the innuendo.

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  8. "Likewise, I am looking at the facts from the point of view of ‘old earth creationist’"

    And I am looking at the facts as a "Tolkienist." I reject Corky's view of the facts since it does not take into account the the historical record of "Middle Earth," aka, Old America. Only fools deny that elves and orcs once roamed what we now know as the "United States."


    Paul Ray

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  9. "I believe that at the very least, we should apply typical atheist/skeptic/objective thinking standards to allegedly historical figures such as Emperor Huangdi."

    Yeah! I don't believe any "historical record" of a people unless it contains stories about burning bushes and big boats that held all the animals in the world.

    Paul Ray

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  10. Sorry Corky,

    Didn't mean to disrupt your blog. My post was intended as satire. I didn't mean to imply that either atheists or Christians believed in leprechauns or the flying spaghetti monster. The poster "Paul Ray" often references them to satirize believers in God, and I simply reversed that application for the sake of humor.

    BB

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  11. BykerBob,

    You may have meant it that way but you failed to word it that.

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  12. "Since it is known that the American Indians were in America 10,000+ years ago ..."

    I don't know about all that, Corky. What are your "sources?" If they aren't religious texts, then I don't know if we can trust them.


    Paul Ray

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  13. One thing I have noticed that might be relevant here. Armstrongism basically assigned 6,000 years to man, based on their interpretations of some nebulous numerology. But, at least, part of the HWAcaca was the belief in the "gap creation theory" which took into account the actual age of the universe. There are some specific subsets of Christians who do not acknowledge this, and assume that the earth and the universe are only 6,000 years old, which is preposterous. There have been newspaper reports of stars which are billions of lightyears away having been detected by scientists as "going out".

    But, there are also some more reasonable, and large groups of "thinking" Christians who do realize that the earth is billions of years old, and that mankind has been around much longer than that arbitrary 6,000 year figure that many non-believers stereotype them with.

    Has anyone been watching John Ankerberg's program over the past several weeks? He's been dealing with this very topic, and I can assure you, the man is not some kind of simpleton. I'd like to see a secular scientist rebuttal what is being presented.

    BB

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  14. Well I just wanted to ask BB if it's your gods job to make us see the light and take Jesus Christ as our savior then where the hell is he? I mean really if it isn't any christians job then why do you preach it? Why do you rant about it to every non believer? Is it because you are all pawns in gods little game he plays? But if god wants me to believe then you tell him to get his ass down here and work for it like everybody else in this life we hold so dearly has too.


    I just simply don't see him/it ever doing that because well we all know whether or not we aknowledge it or not that our imaginary friends aren't really there don't we?

    So ask yourself this BB where is your god when you need him the most because you just need someone to hold and comfort you and cheerish you......ohh i'm sorry I forgot you just have to trust in something you can't even see for yourself isn't that right? So until your god shows up and you can answer those I don't wanna hear it and if you wanna have a convo email me.........matthewmaine2@yahoo.com I'll be waiting (:

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